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What Is The Blasphemy Of The Holy Ghost And The Unpardonable Sin?
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Jesus Defines Blasphemy of the Holy Ghost
The scriptures of Matthew 12:22,24-25,31-32 and Mark 3:28-30) have caused some to believe that a person blasphemes against the Holy Ghost and commits the unpardonable sin if he attributes the work of the Holy Spirit to that of devils. But, if the case is this simple, many have mistakenly committed the unpardonable sin of blasphemy against the Holy Ghost.
In St. John 7:20-21, the people are said to have accused Jesus of having a devil. They said He was crazy when He spoke of them preparing to kill Him. Nevertheless, there is no mention of blasphemy against the Holy Ghost or of the unpardonable sin. Instead, Jesus proceeds to teach them things they didn't understand. Again in the passage of St. John 8:48-59, twice, the Jews tell Jesus that He has a devil. They are applying natural reasoning to Jesus' spiritual teachings. But, Jesus spoke no warning of blasphemy against the Holy Ghost or of the unpardonable sin.
The confusion of some of the Christian converts from paganism caused them to mistakenly attribute a visible manifestation of an evil spirit to one of the Holy Spirit. "Now concerning spiritual gifts, brethren, I would not have you ignorant. Ye know that ye were Gentiles, carried away unto these dumb idols, even as ye were led. Wherefore I give you to understand that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed, and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost" (1 Corinthians 12:1-3).
Pagans understood that there is a spirit behind every statue of every idol worshiped. Although the statue could not speak, they knew that the spirit behind it, could, and did. They relied upon sorcerers and other practitioners of magic to summon these spirits to communicate with them and serve as mediums. Such demon worship services included spiritual manifestations that they often confused with gifts of the Holy Spirit.
This is why Paul tells them that he doesn't want them to be ignorant about matters of spiritual manifestations and gifts. He knows their background, and that they used to be "carried away" (deceived) by their mute (dumb) idols. He teaches them to know how to differentiate between a manifestation of the Spirit of God, and one of an unholy spirit. It's logical to believe that before Paul's clarification to them on this matter, there were some who mistakenly labeled a satanic act of speaking, as a message from the Holy Spirit. Again, Paul makes no mention of the sin of blasphemy against the Holy Ghost.
Finally, in Acts 2:13, the people are seen saying that the men that spoke in tongues did so, being full of wine. Acts 2:12 makes it plain that the people were in puzzlement about such a phenomenon of the Holy Spirit. There is no statement regarding blasphemy against the Holy Ghost or the unpardonable sin. Why is blasphemy against the Holy Ghost and the unpardonable sin mentioned in Matthew and Mark, but not in the passages of St. John, 1 Corinthians, and Acts mentioned above?
The answer lies in the fact that the people in St. John, 1 Corinthians, and Acts were in ignorance when they spoke things they should not have, confusing the work of the Holy Spirit with that of unholy spirits and vice versa. These people were genuinely confused and puzzled. Remember that, despite the many and violent sins that Saul of Tarsus committed, he received mercy and forgiveness when he repented because he did them in ignorance (1 Timothy 1:13).
The men to whom Jesus spoke warning of the unpardonable sin of blasphemy against the Holy Ghost, were not ignorant of their willful ill intentions and disdain against God's righteousness. This is evidenced in the passage when Jesus says that the mouth speaks out of the abundance of the heart (Matthew 12:34). The problem was neither ignorance nor misunderstanding, nor confusion, nor puzzlement. There was malice in their heart against God. Scripture shows that to blaspheme against the Holy Ghost and commit the unpardonable sin is to willfully and maliciously speak against God and His work out of the abundance of disdain for Him.
Is it reasonable to believe that the men to whom Jesus spoke warning about the blasphemy of the Holy Ghost, actually committed the unforgivable sin? It would be reasonable, but it would also be just as reasonable to say that they didn't commit such sin. After all, although their disobedience to God was willful, they were ignorant of just how much trouble the condition of their heart could get them into as they spoke from the abundance of it. This type of blasphemy isn't seen in the Old Testament and therefore these men would not have been warned of such a sin. Therefore, there is the strong possibility that they stood warned about this for the first time in their lives. It should be noted that Jesus took the time to not only warn, but also to teach, and given the reason Jesus came to teach men, it's logical to conclude that what they did bordered on committing the unpardonable sin of blasphemy against the Holy Ghost. Nevertheless, to border on doing something and to do that thing are two different things.
Jesus said:
If I had not come and spoken unto them, they had not had sin, but now they have no cloak for their sin. (St. John 15:22)
A cloak refers to a covering excuse for sin, such as ignorance. Once God teaches a person what is sin against Him, that individual can never again cover himself with the excuse of ignorance. What is more, no one will escape punishment by avoiding God's word in an attempt to retain the excuse of ignorance.
All Manner of Sin and Blasphemy...
Jesus said, "...all manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men. And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him. But whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come" (Matthew 12:31-32).
The same solemn warning is found in Mark 3:29 and Luke 12:10. If God the Father, The Son, and the Holy Ghost are truly one, why is blasphemy unforgivable only against the Holy Ghost? Why is there nothing written about blasphemy against the Father? Questions such as these reveal a lack of true understanding of the Bible's explanation of who the God of Israel really is.
The first fact to remember is that Jesus frequently referred to himself as both the "Son of God" and the "Son of man". This is only one of the numerous and varied ways in which he taught and demonstrated the truth that he was fully man and fully God. He was the Son of man because he was born of the virgin mortal Mary. But, he was also the Son of God because he was conceived of God. The angel of the Lord said to Joseph to whom Mary was espoused, "...fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife, for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost" (Matthew 1:20). It is very strongly recommended that readers thoroughly study, Jesus Or His Impostor? to fully grasp this vital truth.
In addition to understanding the difference between Jesus the man, and Jesus the Lord, one must comprehend the difference between who God is specifically in his plan of man's redemption and who he is outside of the plan of salvation. It's in the understanding of these things that clear scriptural explanations lie of why blasphemy against the Holy Ghost is unlike any other type of blasphemy--even against the Son of man.
Jesus, In The Beginning
St. John 1:1-3 says, "In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made." It should be observed that this passage speaks of God "in the beginning" and also speaks of his creation. Notice the similarity with the first chapter of Genesis which also speaks of God "in the beginning" and clearly declares him as Creator of all things. Understanding the difference between who God is in his plan of salvation and who he is period, involves knowing what the Bible says about him in the beginning.
In the beginning, there's no mention of God as the Father, or of God as the Son. These titles are missing. However, God the Holy Ghost appears from the beginning. Genesis 1:2 calls him the "Spirit of God" and he is unmistakably creation power. Note that the Holy Spirit is the only person of the Triune God that appears from the beginning. But, the titles of God the Father and God the Son appear only after the fall of man. Why? Because they are titles that reveal the essence of the Lord's plan of salvation and his relationship to man.
Again, Genesis names God and the Holy Spirit. St. John 1:1-3 also names God, but names the Word as well. The Word is called God directly in scripture. Therefore, in the beginning, there was God, the Holy Spirit, and the Word and all are clearly the triune Godhead. Yes, the term "Godhead" is used in the Bible (Acts 17:29).
Scripture reveals that God the Word is who Jesus was in the beginning and who he is in essence. St. John 1:14 teaches that, "...the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father) full of grace and truth." God the Word was made flesh to carry out the divine plan of salvation which required him to be the sacrificial Lamb of God at Calvary. It's not coincidence that whenever Jesus, who is known as the Word in the beginning, contrasted the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost with other blasphemies, including those against himself, he always referred to himself as the "Son of man", and not the Son of God. "Son of God" indicates nothing less than divinity. This is why the Jews accused him of making himself equal with God (St. John 5:18). "Son of man"; however, indicates mortality and is also intricately tied to God's salvation of man. The prophet Ezekiel was repeatedly referred to as "son of man" particularly in the early part of the book of Ezekiel, and he was not divine.
Jesus uses "Son of man" when contrasting blasphemy against himself with that of the Holy Ghost to keep things in right perspective. Although the Son of man was and always will be the greatest man to inhabit the earth, he was still a man--a God-man, but a mortal. This incarnation was for the purpose of salvation.
Blasphemy of the Son of Man Versus Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit
The serious student of the Bible must comprehend the difference in man's relation to Christ and that of the Holy Ghost. Christ was God wrapped in flesh who came to earth to redeem man and; therefore, is associated with being a man. The Holy Ghost was not wrapped in flesh, and moved over the earth as creation power, independent of man's redemption who had not even been created yet. He is not associated with being a man or even like one. Throughout scripture He is consistently and forcefully presented as the Spirit of God Himself. If one doesn't accept Christ as his Savior, then Christ is not his Savior. But, God the Holy Ghost is Lord whether one accepts Christ or not. He is Lord, independent of man's existence, decision to serve him, or redemption. Jesus is the Word in the beginning and in essence, but came to live on Earth as the only begotten of the Father and; consequently, assumed other titles: the Son of God, the Son of man, the Christ, the Lamb of God, etc. The Holy Ghost is the Holy Ghost in the beginning and throughout the fulfillment of the plan of man's salvation. He is the one of whom the Christ was conceived (Matthew 1:20). He is the person of the triune God that appeared as a dove and anointed the Son of man (Matthew 3:16). He is the one that inhabits the followers of Christ, enabling them to be like Jesus (Romans 8:1-11). He is the Spirit that causes the children of God to cry the title of "Abba, Father" (Romans 8:15-16). The Word, who became Jesus, took on a lowly form in coming to Earth to live as a man, to become a brother to believers (Hebrews 2:9). God the Father is a Father to all who have Jesus as a brother. God the Holy Ghost orchestrates these relationships (Romans 8:14-16, but neither his title nor his name changes for a relationship with man, not even when speaking of redemption.
It might help the reader's comprehension to think of God the Son, the Son of man, and God the Father as different "sides" of God or relationships with Him. God the Father is the eternal Parent to all who obey Him. God the Son is the eternal Brother to all that obey Him. The Son of man is the one who gave his life as a sacrifice, as the perfect Lamb of God to save man. However, it is the Holy Ghost who is behind all of these things. He orchestrated them and caused them to be fulfilled. The blessed relationship with God as Father, as Brother, as Savior, as Healer, Redeemer, Husband, and Friend is the direct work of the very essence of God, Holy Ghost. To speak against Him and His work is to directly attack and defy the throne of God. To speak against Jesus, the Son of man, blasphemes God's plan of salvation. To speak against the followers of Christ, defaming them, blasphemes God's name which they wear (1 Peter 4:14). But, to knowingly and maliciously speak against the Holy Ghost and His work is to attack the very dominion of God in a direct challenge. Satan and the angels that fought on his side to dethrone the most High can never be forgiven because they attacked the throne of God. Although there's forgiveness for blasphemies against the Son of man, man would do well to remember that every work that he did was done by the authority of the throne. This is why He warned them in St. Mark 3:28-30 and other scriptures, not to attribute His authority and power over the prince of Devils who challenged His throne in war.
To illustrate this truth further, consider a child who is angry with his father during the days when parents actually disciplined their children physically. That child may be ever so angry with his father and may speak against his actions. However, he grumbles to himself or keeps his verbal attacks to himself knowing that to turn and face his father and boldly say anything he wants in his attack would invite a severe punishment because it challenges the father's household authority.
All other blasphemies are a side-step and watered-down, indirect attacks against something God has done or made. But, to blaspheme the Holy Ghost and His work is to boldly and directly challenge the Lord's universal and perpetual throne.
Isaiah 14:12-15 records, "How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! How art thou cut down to the ground which didst weaken the nations! For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven. I will exalt my throne above the stars of God. I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north. I will ascend above the heights of the clouds. I will be like the most High. Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit."
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Comments/Comentarios:
there was a time where i thought i blasphemed the spirit because i thought some christians were brainwashed by the spirit and it was the devil doing it, and i said to my friend have you ever thought christians are brainwashed? can i be forgiven ive been in struggle for a year
by: Ryan
Posted on 2010-12-12 03:38:53
In response to Ryan: Only God can say when actual commission of the unpardonable sin has taken place as evidenced in Acts 8:22 where the apostle Peter said to Simon, "Repent therefore of this thy wickedness, and pray God, if PERHAPS the thought of thine heart may be forgiven thee." Peter dared not tell Simon that he had for sure committed the unpardonable sin not having heard such a revelation from God. He told Simon to seek God. Heavenly Manna, therefore, cannot just guess whether you've committed blasphemy. Nevertheless, based on what you have said, we don't see any reason why you would suspect that you have blasphemed the Holy Spirit. What is wrong with questioning whether some Christians are brainwashed? Nothing. God is full of mercy and understands that we question things that don't seem right to us. Perhaps your struggle is totally unrelated to the unpardonable sin. A good number of people are so worried about being cut off from God that they can't see his reaching out to them.
by: Heavenly Manna
Posted on 2010-12-16 02:42:12
I believe those who killed Jesus Christ and have crucified him are those who committed the unpardonable sin. Okay, a son of perdition is someone who committed an unpardonable sin, has got to know Jesus and God and angels, and then shed Innocent blood is assenting Jesus Christ blood. This is the unpardonable sin which cannot be forgiven, neither in the world to come. Hell is only prepared for the sons of perdition.
by: Melvin
Posted on 2011-06-12 02:52:43
To: Melvin,
The Bible does not say that those who killed Jesus Christ and crucified him committed the unpardonable sin. On the contrary, the biblical scripture of Luke 23:33-34 reads, "And when they were come to the place, which is called Calvary, there they crucified him, and the malefactors, one on the right hand, and the other on the left. Then said Jesus, Father, FORGIVE them: for they know not what they do...." If they had committed the unpardonable sin, Christ would not have prayed that they be PARDONED. The article gave ample biblical scripture that can easily be verified that reveal what blasphemy of the Holy Ghost (the unpardonable sin) is.
by: Heavenly Manna
Posted on 2011-06-12 23:00:51
As you see awhile ago i asked about wheter or not i commited the unpardonable sin. My message was thithere was a time where i thought i blasphemed the spirit because i thought some christians were brainwashed by the spirit and it was the devil doing it, and i said to my friend have you ever thought christians are brainwashed? can i be forgiven ive been in struggle for a years I love jesus and god. But how can i know i didnt commit this sin.
by: Ryan
Posted on 2011-12-19 00:50:01
To Ryan:
First things first, we STRONGLY suggest that you re-read the article which explains that blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is to challenge God's very throne. Please explain to us why you are equating asking if Christians are brainwashed with challenging God's throne. Where do you see correlation? What EXACTLY is happening or NOT happening in your life that is causing you to continue to suspect blasphemy? Are your prayers not being answered? Are you having bad dreams? Are you listening to something that others are telling you? Is it just a general sense that you have? Is it because of something you read? Have you thoroughly read the article and pondered the scriptures used to teach on this subject? Please explain EXACTLY how what you've said lines up with what the Bible says about blasphemy (scriptures are abundantly provided in the article). If you cannot make the correlation, please explain why the question persists.
by: Heavenly Manna
Posted on 2011-12-19 05:19:47
Ok, ill try to explain. I've been over it for awhile now its comeing back.
Here's how I think it correlates. I had some bad thoughts saying some christians
act weird. They take religon to seriously. What if they are brainwashed by a
evil spirit? Or what if the holy spirit is bad. So I was afraid I blasphemed the
holy spirit because of these thoughts, so I asked my friend if he ever had such
thoughts. And by asking him I'm afraid I blasphemed
by: Ryan
Posted on 2011-12-20 02:46:12
To Ryan:
We will ask again:
1. Have you thoroughly read this article?
2. What E X A C T L Y do the scriptures say that blasphemy is? (Those scriptures are abundantly provided right in this article). If you cannot define blasphemy, you will continue to have the same question. The definition is in the article, which is based on scripture. We've even repeated that definition in our last response to you. But, it appears that you are not focusing on definition, but rather on getting a simple "yes" or "no" to a question that you have the ability to answer--if you've studied the scriptures presented in the article.
Final question: You state that you are afraid of having blasphemed because of a conversation with a friend. Do you want your fear based on the words of a friend or on the words of God?
Ryan, if you will answer these questions, you will see that you have your answer.
by: Heavenly Manna
Posted on 2011-12-20 20:05:52
After reading this, I am still afraid I might have committed this sin. Since I was little I've been a believer, but for a period of time I started to doubt if there was a God, but after a while I knew that there was and always was. But after this, I started having evil thoughts about Jesus. I don't know where they came from. For two months, I couldn't shake off these thoughts. Whenever I heard thoughts about Jesus, immediately something evil came into my head about him and his spirit. I read about the unpardonable sin in the bible and I woke up one night with something in my mind saying he was evil or something. These thoughts horrified me, I knew it wasn't true, but it kept coming back into my head. Later I even questioned if it could be true, but I dismissed that knowing it wasn't true. I repented of these sins, but I feel so awful. I hate what I have done. I'm so sorry, I want nothing more than to serve Jesus and live for him again, but I feel I have gone too far with all these thoughts. Have I committed the unpardonable sin??
by: E
Posted on 2012-04-23 22:24:33
To E:
We have answered the direct question of, "Have I blasphemed/committed the unpardonable sin?" in our response to Ryan, posted 2010-12-16 02:42:12 (see 2nd comment in thread).
Please consider this excerpt directly from the article:
"The men to whom Jesus spoke warning of the unpardonable sin of blasphemy against the Holy Ghost, were not ignorant of their willful ill intentions and disdain against God's righteousness. This is evidenced in the passage when Jesus says that the mouth speaks out of the abundance of the heart (Matthew 12:34). The problem was neither ignorance nor misunderstanding, nor confusion, nor puzzlement. There was malice in their heart against God. Scripture shows that to blaspheme against the Holy Ghost and commit the unpardonable sin is to willfully and maliciously speak against God and His work out of the abundance of disdain for Him."
Do you fit the description of the men to whom Jesus spoke? Only you and God know that.
by: Heavenly Manna
Posted on 2012-04-24 04:09:10
I really think I was confused.. I kept having these thoughts that I questioned if it could be true. I was trying so hard to avoid doing the unpardonable sin. Now looking back and thinking of all my evil thoughts im more afraid then ever because I just don't know and don't remember.
by: E
Posted on 2012-04-24 22:35:24
To E:
You said, "I was trying so hard to avoid doing the unpardonable sin." E, what was going on that you were trying so hard to avoid committing the unpardonable sin? That's not something that normally should be a worry as in even thinking about it. Perhaps a review of the activities in which you were involved at that time would help you to know why there was even a struggle against evil thoughts. Was there any involvement with the occult?
by: Heavenly Manna
Posted on 2012-04-27 15:39:24
No no. Nothing like that. Here what happened:Im a teenage girl. I\ve always been a believer, but then my faith started getting wishy-washy. I was wondering what it there isn\t a God? And I hated these thoughts, but I knew that God was there ultimately. I just knew Jesus was true. After that I was thinking like, if Jesus wasn\t real, then who is healing all of these people and answering all of these prayers? And then I had a thought like, is the devil behind all of this? Could this all have been some sick joke, and the devil was behind this religion? I dismissed this quickly because I knew it wasn\t true. So then I read something online about the unpardonable sin and I was horrified. I thought I committed this. I told myself never to think those thoughts again, and as soon as I felt right with Christ again, these thoughts just sprung on me. They were about like Jesus being evil or this all being a joke or something. I hated these thoughts too. I tried so badly to get rid of them. From school, I would literally come back home and cry. I\m actually crying right now just thinking of it. I repented every second because I knew it wasn\t true, but then about a month later, I thought what if this could be true? and I questioned these thoughts for a while and I don\t know, I was probably messed up. I Might have almost believed them (I know this is terrible!!) but I don\t think I ever believed it though. I was probably close. But this is what happened to me. I never wanted to blaspheme the holy spirit. It just these unwanted, blasphemous thoughts. I love Jesus, and I wish to serve him and worship him. But I am constantly in fear that he won\t take me back, even though I never really let go of him. (for the months that I had these thoughts, I constantly watched Christian shows, only listened to Christian music, and I cried out to God to forgive me every night.) I am so miserable now.
by: E
Posted on 2012-05-01 23:29:39
Oh and I don't know where these thoughts came from. Someone said the devil. Or maybe it's my OCD? I think I might have that because I fit the description. But I don't want to make an excuse for myself. Maybe it was just my mind, and how I constantly question and analyze everything. And then I questioned this so much. (I know, it's horrible...)
by: E
Posted on 2012-05-01 23:35:53
To E:
We will ask you as we've asked others in this conversation thread to do the following things:
1. If you respond again, copy and paste from the article the biblical explanation of what the unpardonable sin is. It is only about 1 paragraph. Reread the article if that's what it takes.
2. Compare what you have done to what that plain biblical explanation is and then ask yourself if you fit that description. It is that simple. Ask the Lord to help you to calm down and to see straight, as you follow these two simple steps.
Once you have done that, you will be in a position to see more clearly into the possible reasons why you are battling with your thoughts. Unpleasant thoughts do not just come for no reason. However, we will not go further into this until you have settled the issue of blasphemy, which only requires following the steps above.
by: Heavenly Manna
Posted on 2012-05-04 01:37:20
Its me again. these comments come to my email.. E, i struggle with this also, and still do, but remeber, Jesus was talking to people who saw CLEAR works of the holy spirit. The pharasees saw him do miricles. instead of attributing thos works to God, they said it was the work of satan to mislead the crowd and protect their own power. And remember, Jesus said out of the abundence of the heart the mouth speaks, so its more then just thoughts or words, it roots from a evil heart. If you truely blasphemed the holy spirit i dont think you would care, the holy spirit would cease to work in your life. just relax dude. i want you to listen to Jesus friend of sinners by casting crowns
by: Ryan
Posted on 2012-05-04 01:47:38
To Ryan:
Excellent answer you've given to E. Thanks!
by: Heavenly Manna
Posted on 2012-05-04 04:13:55
. But, to knowingly and maliciously speak against the Holy Ghost and His work is to attack the very dominion of God in a direct challenge. Satan and the angels that fought on his side to dethrone the most High can never be forgiven because they attacked the throne of God. Although there's forgiveness for blasphemies against the Son of man, man would do well to remember that every work that he did was done by the authority of the throne. This is why He warned them in St. Mark 3:28-30 and other scriptures, not to attribute His authority and power over the prince of Devils who challenged His throne in war.
....so I don't think this is me. Because I didnt knowingly and abundantly from my heart blaspheme Jesus. I was questioning god at the time so I could not have knowingly did it if I was confused on who God was.. And since i didnt want to blaspheme him, and I held on to Jesus even though I questioned him, I couldn't have done it.
And thank you Ryan also.
So can we see why I'm having these thoughts now
by: E
Posted on 2012-05-07 02:00:40
Hi E:
Great job! Now, moving on to your thoughts. You spoke of them first coming when your faith in Jesus started getting "wishy-washy" (your words). Please think back to that time. Our faith in Christ doesn't just start deteriorating for no reason. I (Hannah with Heavenly Manna) backslid as a teen after becoming involved with the martial arts. For some people, things that happen in their or someone else's life shake their faith, and other people begin to doubt after conversation with others about Jesus. What was going on in your life, or what took place that could have shaken your faith and possibly opened the door to these thoughts? Don't dismiss anything however insignificant it might seem.
Also, because there are false Christs (Mat. 24:24), let's clarify that when you speak of Jesus, you are referring to belief that he is divine, that he is God, and was God incarnate on earth. Is this what you believe? We ask because while we are exploring reasons for the thoughts, we want to explain how to get immediate relief in God's power, which is not possible if there are not right thoughts about the divinity Jesus. We look forward to hearing from you.
by: Heavenly Manna
Posted on 2012-05-07 19:57:59
I think it was around Christmas. I've always been a believer in Jesus (the son of God, who was on Earth and died for all of our sins) but he was never first in my life. And it was just people who didn't believe and I was wondering what if there wasn't a God. I kept thinking, "no. Jesus is real. He helped you through so and so... And he was there for you when so and so." but I kept questioning Jesus. Just wondering if God was real.
After finally surrendering to the truth of Jesus, (knowing once and for all he was reAl) I was happy again. But in my history class we learn about different religions and stuff, so then after being exposed to that all day I questioned again.
I went home and started I guess having a fight of faith saying," dont give up on Jesus. He didn't give up on you, "
I remember crying out to Jesus, saying "why won't you help me? I'm calling for you with all my heart and you won't respond. I hate feeling doubts about you. I want a strong faith. I dont ever want to come home crying again wondering if you're real." after that I turned on the radio and a song came on (it was a Christian radio station) and the song was about how Jesus is always there ven when you dont feel him. It said something like I'm crying out for you, but Jesus says be still and know I'm here.
I was so happy. I thought could this be God telling me this? Slowly my faith began to build up again. Sometime later a thought crept into my mind like "what if something evil is behind this? And it's all a big lie? Is that where all the miracles are coming from?"
And that's when I started thinking bad thoughts about the unpardonable sin, and Jesus.
I now know 100% that God is real. The God of the bible. But sometimes bad thoughts about him just happen. They're those questioning thoughts about what if....
And I don't like them.
by: E
Posted on 2012-05-08 00:43:36
Hi E,
My name is Vanessa and I work a lot with teens, therefore, if you choose to respond back to me, I will be the one from Heavenly Manna answering you going forward.
I just read the entire thread. Ryan gave you a most wonderful response. You have to know that the christian radio station you were listening to and heard the words of the song that addressed just what you were thinking at the time had to be your answer from God.
First, I'd like you to clarify if you are a girl or a guy. Ryan addressed you as dude, but I'd like to know for sure.
One thing I want to say to you is that Satan will launch a particularly heavy attack against those who will eventually influence others for God. Think about it... If you or I were confronted by a gang about to attack us and we didn't stand a chance of winning, our strategy would have to be to take out the leader. Most of the people standing behind the leader of the gang are just followers who wouldn't have a clue of what to do were it not for their leader.
IF, and this "if" is something you should give serious thought to--If God has singled you out to be a leader Satan will try every trick to take you out because he knows how many others you'll influence. Teens are not the only ones who want to be in the "in" crowd so people do a lot of things they don't necessarily want to just to belong.
Seek God about how He wants you to live a life of leadership. As I write this, I honestly feel that you'll be victorious over those thoughts as you repeatedly state directly to Satan that you are God's leader. Drown Satan's voice out by declaring, "I'm God's. I belong to Him. I'm listening for His voice, His instructions, etc., etc.
The Bible says, resist the devil and he'll flee. It doesn't mean that he won't come back. Resist the next time he comes and keep on resisting declaring that you are God's person.
We will be praying for your breakthrough and victory.
by: Vanessa
Posted on 2012-05-14 12:14:04
Thank you so much for those words. I am getting better with everything. When I have a bad thought I cast it out and say its not mine. Ive asked for forgiveness for every sin I've done consciously and unconsciously, and I'm confident that God forgives me. Oh and I'm a girl
by: E
Posted on 2012-05-22 01:26:19
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